i see some idiots are mad at Vice President Vance because he led the team of negotiators that President Trump dispatched to negotiate an end to hostilities with Iran. They seem to think JD is a buffoon who literally didn't know how stupid this was. I wish they would all dry up and blow away. Things have to happen and they have to be seen to happen and the order is very important.
President Trump knows that his own Party would backstab him on the War Powers Resolution and rather than put it to the test he decided to negotiate in good faith and seek to find a deal that would allow us to end hostilities in Iran and reopen the Strait of Hormuz to all shipping. A man of unquestionable integrity had to lead the negotiators and the negotiators had to be our very best and most importantly, the deal they sought had be one that President Trump could sign and follow through on. That is Step ONE.
It may surprise you to learn that not one single soul at those negotiations had any real reason to believe that any arrangements agreed to would be followed and yet still good men persisted and did try to find a way to bridge the gap between the 7th century and America. Both sides knew beyond any doubt that any treaty or Memorandum of Understanding was doomed from the start because Iran's leaders had broken the country into multiple military regions and appointed fanatics to lead each of them independently and to carry out the final orders of the Ayatollah despite anything coming from Tehran. Some damned fanatic was ALWAYS going to open fire and keep on shooting as long as he had breath in his body and any weapons at all. That's the nature of muslim fanatics.
So there is poor Vice President Vance doing his very best to get a solid treaty agreeable to all parties and knowing it's doomed to failure and sure enough, the damned Iranians opened fire the instant they heard about it and they didn't stop shooting. This neatly abrogated the idiots in Congress who were demanding the President obey them by using the club we call the War Powers Resolution and left President Trump free to carpet bomb the Iranians into oblivion. That, sadly, is what it is going to take. The Peace was there and the Iranians broke it, End of Step TWO. Everyone saw that we did our best for a peaceful ending.
Now the war moves on to the deliberate phase in the Plan and the Air Force and others start destroying each of the targets on the integrated Priority List. One by one or ten by ten, the bridges and tunnels will be destroyed, the power plants or distribution networks, the oil pumping and transfer facilities and the water supplies. Now America pressures the people of Iran to toss the fanatics off the high points and seek peace.
No, I don't think that will work all that well either but it's always nice to think it would. What it looks like we're going to do is shatter Iran. That probably looked like a good idea to some guys working in offices in Tampa but it won't work out as well as they hope. For all that it is a fanatical failed state, it is the last remaining real power in the Middle East. When it shatters it will be torn apart like Lebanon and Syria and it won't be pretty. The only thing that will grown there is fanatical hatred for America and the region already has enough of that.
I just wanted to say that those who think that events have proven JD Vance was naive and gullible are very wrong. He did what he was asked to do, did it in good faith and accomplished something very important. The world, and more importantly, the idiot leftists in America had to see that Peace was attempted and it only failed because Iran proved faithless. That is behind us now.
I think Congress is stupid and vicious enough to try to knock him down with their mighty War Powers Club but they don't seem to understand that is another one of those blindingly stupid weapons that has no real power because the Constitution gives the Executive all the power to defend the country and Congress cannot take it away from him and Trump will prevail if it goes to Court.
But if you like nightmare scenarios, imagine that President Trump loses in Court and Congress does get to "fix" things as they see fit. You know what happened the last time they did that? Yeah, that was what caused the actual fall of the Republic of Vietnam. Congress did that. The Democrats did that. I don't know how any sane person can tell our Gulf allies that they are on their own now against Iran because Schumer and the other poltroons are running things if that happens.
On that note, did you see how in Hungary the new government threw out the President because he did nothing wrong except was usually found to be in agreement with the previous Prime Minister? These marvelous anti-democratic follies and coup d'etats are getting wonderfully predictable in the 4th Reich.
And finally, I'm really impressed with the savvy cunning and straight dealing we’re seeing from the top echelons of this government. It is such a welcome change from the idiotic and sleazy ministers we had under Obama and Biden. I trust they all have their Presidential Pardons locked up safe because they will sure as Hell need them if JD or Marco don't win the next Presidential elections.
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While it was good that Vance was sent with a reputation of honest character.
Pity he was sent with his two Jewish Real-estate handlers that were DIRECTLY involved in both "Diplomacies" that ended up with assassination strikes on Iran's leadership DURING Diplomacy.
Want links?
You know like Dec 7th 1941 "A Day that will live in infamy".
Funny how if WE do it it's War. If some else does it, it's 7th Century evil.
So again tell me about Honorable dealings with the enemy again?
Some people have the quaintest notions about war and diplomacy no doubt based on the insane nonsense they learned about the negotiations for the ending of the Vietnam War. That was every bit as stupid as everything else about that war. What other war are you familiar with where operations ceased while negotiations were snuck up on in the dark and out of sight?
Your definition of Honor is different than mine.
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Meaning and Definition of "Honor" in Diplomacy
In diplomacy, "honor" refers to the reputation, respect, and moral standing that a state, leader, or individual holds in the eyes of others. It is a core element of diplomatic conduct and is closely tied to integrity, credibility, and adherence to agreed-upon norms.
Core Definition
Noun (respect/reputation): Good name or public esteem; high moral standards of behavior; respect given to someone admired Merriam Webster+1.
Noun (reward/distinction): A public recognition or title that conveys respect or distinction, such as awards or ceremonial honors Merriam Webster+1.
Verb (show respect): To treat someone with admiration and respect, or to give public recognition for achievement Cambridge Dictionary.
Role in Diplomacy
In diplomatic contexts, honor is:
A foundation of trust — States and leaders act in ways that preserve their reputation, knowing that breach of honor can damage relationships and credibility.
A guide for conduct — Diplomacy relies on mutual respect and adherence to agreed principles; honoring commitments and agreements is essential to maintaining honor Merriam Webster+1.
A tool for influence — Public recognition of a leader or state’s honor can strengthen alliances, encourage cooperation, and signal respect for international norms.
A safeguard against reputational harm — Diplomats are trained to avoid actions that could be seen as dishonorable, such as breaking treaties or engaging in unethical behavior.
Related Concepts
Integrity and probity — Upholding truthfulness and fairness in diplomatic dealings.
Diplomatic immunity and privileges — Recognized as part of a state’s honor in international law.
Honor in the law of war — In military and diplomatic contexts, honor can also mean adherence to the laws of war and respect for the dignity of adversaries Chicago-Kent Student Organizations & Journals.
In short: In diplomacy, honor is both a moral standard and a practical asset — it shapes how states and leaders are perceived, influences trust, and underpins the effectiveness of diplomatic relations.
Your quite flexible about it, you accepted that Imperial Japan could attack us without declaring war on Dec 7th?
Meanwhile during active diplomacy it's FINE to assassinate the entire leadership you're doing diplomacy with?
And you act surprised they don't TRUST your words?
Or like Russia often says, "America is agreement incapable" I.E. everything we agree too is subject to annulment or mono-lateral revision.
Be surprised if nobody "honors" any agreement with America-Israel as currently Congress is about to send the formal merging documents to Trump for signature.
You seem to know who we were negotiating with so you would know, did any of the ones not attacking US and Israel not end up suddenly dead? It takes two to tango and the war goes on despite the “negotiations”. I believe that is the point. President Trump repeatedly claimed that an MOU was in place and abided by whatever terms we knew of until Iranians abrogated it by attacking US or our friends and allies.
I don’t get my facts from our enemies, not even the NYT or Washington Post. I use reputable (ish) sources.
I am glad your honest enough to say:
"I don’t get my facts from our enemies, not even the NYT or Washington Post. I use reputable (ish) sources."
Still makes me question your misuse of Honor in your articles title.
Churchill had a few things to say about war and truth:
“In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.” A-Z Quotes
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.” A-Z Quotes
In summary: Churchill’s “In war, truth is often the first casualty” is a concise, memorable way of expressing his belief that wartime conditions often lead to the distortion or suppression of the truth.
"It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true." — Henry Kissinger
"The state is a fragile organization, and the statesman does not have the moral right to risk its survival on ethical restraint." — Henry Kissinger
"Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." — Henry Kissinger
Pity honor is such a "quaint" idea.
There is no pleasant or easy solution to the problem of Iran. Not sure that ANY solution exists. The REAL problem is islam and it's a much wider problem than Iran. As for Congress and the left...they are a MUCH bigger threat to America than Iran. And with their lame stream media whore propagandists most people aren't getting the picture on what's going on. Add in the raving insanity of Trump Derangement Syndrome and we may very well doomed.
Until folks stop pretending we are ONLY Fighting Iran this situation will only get worse.
We've managed by our Dishonorable behaviors, trying to be the bully policeman of the world and sucking up to Israel that we have NO Allies.
That Russia and China have quietly been giving Iran ISR (Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance) via their satellites should be no surprise.
Calling the parasite Israel an ally is a sad joke looking at how much of our Nations blood and treasure is being spent to "support" them. Want links?
Let me know when Israel's navy and army join us in attacking Iran. Seems their slave military is doing all that heavy lifting.
That AIPAC OPENLY brags they have a 98% reelection rate FOR AIPAC supporting CONgressmen and even paid much of Trumps election this time around....
Nothing new under the sun:
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the 'new, wonderful good society' which shall now be Rome, interpreted to mean 'more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.'
Marcus Tullius Cicero
The budget should be balanced, the treasury refilled, public debt reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt.
Marcus Tullius Cicero
The Jews belong to a dark and repulsive force. One knows how numerous this clique is, how they stick together and what power they exercise through their unions. They are a nation of rascals and deceivers.
Marcus Tullius Cicero
When a government becomes powerful it is destructive, extravagant and violent; it is an usurer which takes bread from innocent mouths and deprives honorable men of their substance, for votes with which to perpetuate itself.
Marcus Tullius Cicero
And finally:
Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error.
Marcus Tullius Cicero
So GO TRUMP!! Destroy and Entire CIVILIZATION and Praise be to Allah!
Want a LINK to Trumps often deranged Truth Social posts?
Let's keep on feeding our military into a meatgrinder. Seems I'm the only one in this group that has family on the DDG's in that area. Still NO Communication from them for months.
Hey Mike,
You're beginning to sound more and more like Tucker the ----er;
it's a big turnoff for me and I'm not Jewish.
I don't care which or how many Romans you can quote.
Lol, Facts are right there on the AIPAC site.
https://www.aipac.org/
“To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?”
Some people persist in the idiotic belief that countries have friends. They rather stupidly conflate “ally” with “friend”. The facts of history teach that countries have “interests” and the idea that these three travel hand in glove and share the same exact meaning is the source of many an idiot’s problem in understanding history, politics and war.
Truth. Pity our country is run by paid for political whores that are funded by AIPAC.
Even Trump's last campaign was funded by AIPAC.
https://www.trackaipac.com/trump
But SUCH A DEAL to recycle American Taxpayer dollars to buy politicians instead of paying for the building and operations of even a single CV.
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