It looks like there may be no end to the pussyfooted wars of the 21st century which leaves only room for the large steps involved in creating darkness and oceans of blood. I think we'll skip the bloodletting the maximum extent possible but I suspect pretty soon the lights are going to go off and stay off in Iran and once that happens it is a certainty that the same will happen in Ukraine. If we're sick and tired of Ukraine, think how Russia feels and if we are fed up with the 'resistance' of multiple cells of viciousness, well, we cornered the market on viciousness a very long time ago and there's no reason we can't haul it back out of the closet and go forth again with the intent to destroy everything in our path.
I get a kick out of how we are not fighting a fighting war while looking around for others to jump in and take part and do their 'fair share.' I think President Trump has made his point about the utter uselessness of NATO and it is now readily apparent to everyone that there simply is no NATO force at all if one excludes the United States. There is NOTHING AT ALL THERE.
If it is obvious to all of us now, imagine how blindingly obvious it has been to Russia since the long slide to powerlessness began in 1988. All of those armored divisions are long gone and so too are all of the artillery tubes, mechanized infantry, armed helicopters and thousands of fighter bombers poised on their frontier. There is a great void into which Poland has been tentatively sticking its generative member very very quietly and instantly putting it down again.
They have learned overnight what it is to be a 'frontline' State on the NATO Front and find that absolutely nobody at all has your back. Even if Britain and France were barking mad they would never go to war to support a central European power again. They lost EVERYTHING the last time they did that and they won't do it again. I think the Germans figured that out right about the time Ronald Reagan started talking about rearming and rebuilding a credible NATO force. They knew deep down that France and the Low Countries would simply abandon them and stymie US efforts to return forces to Europe. That's when the Greens won it all.
It was a very nice long weekend jaunt for me as I traveled into the heart of darkness to visit with family in the National Capital Region. We didn't cross back over the Potomac after making the crossing southbound in Hancock but we did stop for gas at Fort Myer....
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We might out of spite destroy Iran, but it will not be easy, nor will the results make Joe 6 pack American happy.
We tried to bomb North Vietnam into the stone age as all Lemay Fanclub members chatter about.
Iran vs North Vietnam — Land Area Comparison
Iran is about 5.18 times larger in land area than North Vietnam (Vietnam) when excluding inland water bodies.
Land area figures Georank.org:
Iran: 626,451 sq mi (1,622,500 km²)
North Vietnam: 121,016 sq mi (313,429 km²)
And we lost SNIP
U.S. Aircraft Losses Bombing North Vietnam
During the bombing campaigns over North Vietnam, the United States lost about 2,251 aircraft in total from 1962 to 1973, of which 1,737 were lost in combat and 514 in accidents Wikipedia+1. Of these combat losses, a significant portion occurred over North Vietnam.
As Monty Python said, "have FUN Storming the Castle".
BUT, BUT, BUT WE have NUKES.
Yep, and if deep penetrator super bombs don't get through that deep mountain range SO WHAT.
DID some dummies forget about FALLOUT from ground strikes?
The fallout from massive ground strikes will create serious fallout over many countries including nuke armed Pakistan, Nuke Armed India, Nuke Armed CHINA, all of the East including our "ALLIES" Japan, Philippines AND then across America and South America.
I suspect Putin's strong desire not to get Mother Russia nuked keeps his actions carefully under the nuke threshold assuming rational leaderships.
Pythons don't chase their prey nor do they fight them directly. Simply the unrelenting squeeze as each breath (or STUPID ERROR of an empire) occurs.
That's how a few bribes and cheaper labor in China got us to deindustrialize America and so make us weaker across the board.
We've been python squeezed for DECADES. Our worst enemies trade stocks as Trumps tweets makes the market stagger from fear and hope.
BUT it's ALL IRANS Fault.
You need to read some more about the abuse of Airpower in Vietnam. The Tuesday Lunch Bunch and all the rest rendered it almost meaningless except during the Christmas Bombing. The targets that were not even suggested were the ones I'm talking about. The dams, the hydropower stations, the electrical plants, the crossroads, the bridges, the oil storage and distribution system which is largely electrical and can be mooted just by taking the power away.
What we're talking about is making the lights go out and stay out. LeMay never proposed that and it was never even remotely what we were doing in Vietnam.
I'd recommend Leslie Gelb's Irony of Vietnam: The System Worked. It was written well before the great declassification so there are probably many other very fine books that cover the War in Vietnam and the use of Airpower and how politicians and politicians alone dictated every single aspect of the fight. You don't hate LBJ enough.
Why Sir do you think Politics will NOT SCREW this war up just like Vietnam?
Never attribute to evil when simple idiocy will suffice.
BTW in the interest of lights out.
How many small strikes on America's aging power grid would force us into a lights OUT scenario.
More than 99% of those targets don't have more than a single unguarded chain link fence.
What goes around as they say.
Michael. I believe you're the one positing Nukes. And yes! you're quite correct. If the Democrats/Socialists/Marxists take over Congress at the mid-terms, all of The Donald's hard work may be undone.
But, is wiping out an entire culture, as you're suggesting, his endgame?
I don't think so. I think he wants to negociate a peace and remove the mad mullahs from power leaving the good people of Iran free to pursue the course of westernization they were following prior to J. Carter
Boron just mentioning nukes because so many keyboard heroes bring it up as "The Solution to 47 years". Thus, my sarc comment about SNIP
DID some dummies forget about FALLOUT from ground strikes?
Trump has admitted more than once recently that we are fighting Iran FOR ISRAEL. I could post links if you like.
WHAT DOES BIBI WANT?
AIPAC OWNS Congress a few minutes of research and visiting APAIC webpage would show how many get election funding from Israel.
The Mad Mullahs are not the problem. Fighting for Israel is the problem. Every "casualty" we've had from 47 years is in a tiny oval between Iran and Israel. Look it up.
The "Good People" of Iran give me a break. Bombing them and their civilian structures is for the BENIFIT of the "Good People of Iran"?
REALLY??
The oil demon that rode us for so long was controlled by Iran and it has faded away and with it much of the need to control the Persian Gulf. That said, it is painfully obvious that Iran's rulers have painted targets on the backs of EVERYBODY they find hateful and they will use any and all means to execute them and they started not with the Jews, but with the Christians.
Have you ever studied nuclear war? Have you ever looked at 'intended side effects?' Why would you presume that atomic fallout is all bad? It's kind of like all those idiots against the mythical man made global warming. Would not Canada and Siberia benefit enormously from some warming? Is stasis really the answer?
If the US fights an atomic war in the Middle East where is the fallout primarily going to go? Ask yourself, "self, do you care?" The interesting thing about our Socialist brethren is that they have manifested their homicidal tendencies every time they are in power worldwide. Right now the ONLY thing keeping them from all killing each other is Donald Trump. The EU rulers were just a few inches from war with Russia under the Biden regime and none of you even noticed. It happens like that every time with people crowding into the face of the other guy until for no reason at all the punches start flying.
HMS feel free to explain your expertise on nuclear fallout and wind patterns.
Your comment implies you know a lot about it.
Please share
To anon: I will write it up but let me caution you, what we are talking about is science. It's not myth voodoo and legend. The science and physical limitations necessitated airbursts when we bombed Japan. An awful lot of atomic and nuclear testing followed and the patterns and nature of fallout was fairly detailed. Almost everything a layman 'knows' about this is from the same fact finders that brought us face masking, social distancing and man made global warming. Obviously, the scientific studies and evidence are completely available and anyone can read them for himself.
I'm not going to debate facts. I don't have to. Approximately 510 megatons of explosive yield have been detonated in over 2,000 atomic and thermonuclear tests on Earth since 1945 and yet we still seem to thrive in spite of it all.
510 megatons scattered over how many YEARS and at what mostly remote from anything areas, sir?
Facts like details require clarification.
I'm pretty sure the rule of 7's has been well developed.
https://www.nuclearready.com/guides/how-long-radiation-lasts/
Also please describe how many of those 510 megatons were high airbursts which while nearly useless against hardened targets (great city killers) that generate NEARLY NO Fallout.
How many megatons were deep underground with as reported NO release of radioactive fallout.
The post a few maps about wind directions and ground strike nuclear weapons to be used against hardened military targets.
Feel free to discuss how well a nuke armed Pakistan (even with an American Puppet regime), Nuke armed China and the entire area east of Iran's radioactive plume will respond.
Rome didn't do well disrespecting their Germanic allies, nor will America do well dusting ours.
You keep thinking you know what I'm writing and yet you keep not getting it. I write about turning off the lights. The ways to go about doing that are many and nuclear weapons isn't really on my list yet you leapt at it like a man drowning. Ever wonder what EMP would do if they went off over Iran? What do you possibly imagine is a target we need to turf out with nukes?
You keep putting forward your straw men and you ignore the effects of your own straw. Imagine an iranian 5th column at work here in the USA doing anything other than peaceful assembly. How fast do you think the whole lot of illegal muslims would be kicked out of the US the instant they start making direct attacks against civilians, again?
One of the awesome effects of precision munitions is that they are relatively precise. Targeting is the hard part and yet, if one is patient, the target always wanders into the sights.
I don't see this as a war like Ukraine or the stans. This is about deliberate effects using national technical means and long range weapons. WE DON'T CARE when Iran falls. We are enjoying all of the worst effects it can produce already and we have all the time in the world, until the next Presidential election to resolve things.
Seriously, read the damned book.
I'm still amused that Trumps visit to China still hasn't gotten Xi to release a single Kilogram of rare earths.
As I am an INVESTER in American Rare Earths, I read the companies reports and know they are almost a decade from producing a meaningful amount of processed rare earths inside America.
Pallets of CASH doesn't magically create working mines, TRAINED WORKERS, Refineries (supplier of that equipment comes from CHINA BTW since some Genius shut down Germany) and so on.
MAYBE China isn't interested in rearming America. Wonder WHY?
MUCHO Truth Social BS but nothing actually getting shipped.
Our supply of "Precision Munitions" are greatly depleted. Simple math of units purchased in the last decade, reports of units used (Ukraine, Hothi 1 and 2 Navy 2nd place and Epstein War 1 and 2) and the NEED to grab reserve precision weapons and missile interceptors from EVERY Freaking other Command in the US military and my interest in the stock reports of Raytheon and such. Open source is simple.
MIGHT be why the US Military is telling Trump as well as they can that our next conventional attack on Iran is going to be expensive in lost aircraft, naval vessels and any troops doing the assault.
We've NOT Learned much from drone warfare from Ukraine.
Straw man, please explain how FAFO is never going to happen to America.
Radioactive dusting of a large part of the globe makes FAR more than just Muslims perhaps angry enough to strike America from inside her tender soft insides.
Our Long-Range weapon supply seems to be a critical issue.
As I have family on some of those naval ships that still are under Military EMCOM and censorship I am a tad concerned that those "advisers" of Trump are not giving him a realistic picture of the real world.
Not like he was the first President ill Advised in his information bubble lifestyle.
Seems we've discussed that a few times before as you dismissed them.
In OTHER NEWS
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/pentagon-doubts-over-rare-earths-deal-provoke-white-house-clash/ar-AA23LCpw
Looks like Trumps Big Beautiful Bill to free us from China's rare earth monopoly is again in trouble.
Bundles of cash don't create production.
No wonder Trump's been bailed out of 6 bankruptcies by his largely Jewish "Friends". Yeah, I can post links if you like. Sheldon Adelson is his shadow as shown in many recent public photo ops.
Adelson's Wikipedia is surprisingly candid.
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