It's a ludicrous idea and it is long passed the time to knock the idiocy of 'PT for everybody' on the head and kill it once and for all. It has its place and that place is perhaps on the battlefield but it is purely stupid to apply it universally. Holding everyone to the exact same standard you demand out of an 19 year old rifleman is stupid beyond belief and always was.
First PT standards are already adjusted for age, sex and service requirements. Some of these adjustments were foolish when they found that females (SHOCKED I am SHOCKED) were unable to carry their share of the infantry squads' weapons and supplies. Heresy to say woman are different that men, I know.
Leading BY EXAMPLE is important to the unit's morale.
Pity so few Generals suffer the discomfort and danger of those they order into combat. Might reduce the more idiotic orders of the last few decades if the Generals involved were there in the mess.
Michael, you kind of covered my reasons for believing it is all idiotic. If there is any kind of strength or fitness requirement that applies to all it should be applied to all but. I want a general or admiral in command who sees the obvious idiocy of thinking that any women is a substitute for any man in any position where they share the same rate or MOS and decides that it is stupid and farcical. I want a admiral who is keen of mind and I don't care if he hasn't run a mile and a half anytime in the last 30 years because that SIMPLY DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL IN WAR AT SEA. I watched the entire program get weaponized solely in order to slash personnel and meet manpower reduction requirements after the Wall came down. Not one single sailor I saw dismissed got a chance at rehab like the old Dry Dock days and not one single one of them ever failed the physical fitness testing. Their only flaw was in their circumference and oddly enough, any of them would fit through a scuttle without getting stuck. Basing your Navy on ONLY APPEARANCE in uniform is flat out stupid.
173 feet of warship and you can maybe run for about 40 feet fore and aft before hitting a ladder or going overboard. Working or on watch 18 hours/day minimum for weeks or months on end. Tell me this hellworld has room, time or inclination to do something as pointless as PT in a warzone? PT applies to the grunts and those who lead them. Sailors and grunts are not the same at all. When a sailor is NOT working he is on WATCH or sleeping. Every bit of time you need for anything else is stolen from sleeping and you don't get much of that since we also run casualty control drills and general quarters drills every single day. There is no sleeping during working hours. Now, this was the Navy I joined and served in. It is different now and it doesn't apply to sailors you meet in shore duty who don't have very much to do since just about every single shore sailor job these days is makework now that the Intermediate Maintenance Facilities, Mobile Technical Units and such went away. The people you see speaking for sailor PT are seals, seabees and office drones. Guess what their net contribution is INCONUS ashore?
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Holding the generals to the same physical standards as the enlisted men is not a bad idea.
bend & thrust; many-many
It's a ludicrous idea and it is long passed the time to knock the idiocy of 'PT for everybody' on the head and kill it once and for all. It has its place and that place is perhaps on the battlefield but it is purely stupid to apply it universally. Holding everyone to the exact same standard you demand out of an 19 year old rifleman is stupid beyond belief and always was.
Respectfully I disagree about that.
First PT standards are already adjusted for age, sex and service requirements. Some of these adjustments were foolish when they found that females (SHOCKED I am SHOCKED) were unable to carry their share of the infantry squads' weapons and supplies. Heresy to say woman are different that men, I know.
Leading BY EXAMPLE is important to the unit's morale.
Pity so few Generals suffer the discomfort and danger of those they order into combat. Might reduce the more idiotic orders of the last few decades if the Generals involved were there in the mess.
I think this a good idea. Adjust for age, but they should be leading by example, or not be leading.
Michael, you kind of covered my reasons for believing it is all idiotic. If there is any kind of strength or fitness requirement that applies to all it should be applied to all but. I want a general or admiral in command who sees the obvious idiocy of thinking that any women is a substitute for any man in any position where they share the same rate or MOS and decides that it is stupid and farcical. I want a admiral who is keen of mind and I don't care if he hasn't run a mile and a half anytime in the last 30 years because that SIMPLY DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL IN WAR AT SEA.
I watched the entire program get weaponized solely in order to slash personnel and meet manpower reduction requirements after the Wall came down. Not one single sailor I saw dismissed got a chance at rehab like the old Dry Dock days and not one single one of them ever failed the physical fitness testing. Their only flaw was in their circumference and oddly enough, any of them would fit through a scuttle without getting stuck. Basing your Navy on ONLY APPEARANCE in uniform is flat out stupid.
PT good for you, good for me.
Would not be physically fit enable you to help save your shipmates when attacked? Carrying them, etc, etc.
173 feet of warship and you can maybe run for about 40 feet fore and aft before hitting a ladder or going overboard. Working or on watch 18 hours/day minimum for weeks or months on end. Tell me this hellworld has room, time or inclination to do something as pointless as PT in a warzone? PT applies to the grunts and those who lead them. Sailors and grunts are not the same at all. When a sailor is NOT working he is on WATCH or sleeping. Every bit of time you need for anything else is stolen from sleeping and you don't get much of that since we also run casualty control drills and general quarters drills every single day. There is no sleeping during working hours. Now, this was the Navy I joined and served in. It is different now and it doesn't apply to sailors you meet in shore duty who don't have very much to do since just about every single shore sailor job these days is makework now that the Intermediate Maintenance Facilities, Mobile Technical Units and such went away. The people you see speaking for sailor PT are seals, seabees and office drones. Guess what their net contribution is INCONUS ashore?
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